3 Mistakes Arminians Were Predestined to Make [remote post]

3 Mistakes Arminians Were Predestined to Make [remote post]

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This post first appeared on 19 Jan 2012, as a guest of Pastor Tyrell Haag at his blog,  www.CalledConvictedConverted.com

 

As the young, restless, Reformed resurgence has gained notoriety in Evangelical circles, the old irksome fallacies have been resurrected by a new generation of ignorant Arminians. I’m not bashing Arminians– I

It is hyper-Calvinists who have sullied the reputation of the rest of the Reformed. These HC’s are the type who hide behind what Calvin “allegedly” said. Problem is, they have never read Calvin. If they had, they would recognize how un-Calvinistic their stance is.

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John Calvin

 

Similarly though, Arminians who have not bothered to read writings by

English: Jacobus Arminius

And in the other corner…Jacob Arminius

their When I encounter an uniformed Arminian, they tend to ask the same barrage of questions.

Again, I am not talking about those who have carefully considered the two camps and chosen the Arminian stance, of their own free will :)   I am referring exclusively to those who have not really taken the time to try understand their opposition.

I can spot this species of antagonist without much effort, because they always proffer these three objections to Calvinism…

 

[Originally the rest of this post was only found at www.calledconvictedconverted.com, and the first 5 subscribers to enter the 3 points, were sent part of the eBook, "From Jo'burg to Jerusalem: My Seminary Journey, Pt 1". Now that the competition has ended, here's the rest of the post...]

 

1. Calvinists Don’t Pray for People’s Salvation

On the contrary, it is only Calvinist theology that affords an encouragement to pray for the salvation of the lost. Think about it. It is precisely because I believe that God is sovereign over saving souls that I have the confidence to pray and ask him to save one. If free will were too formidable an opponent for God’s saving work, then praying to him would be futile. I challenge Arminians to be consistent in their prayer lives: either stop praying to God for something you don’t believe he can do, or come over to our side where the prayer is hot with conviction that our petitions can be answered!

 

2. Calvinists Don’t Evangelize or do Missions

False. First, the theology of Calvinism (as above) encourages the missionary endeavor because we believe the elect will respond, and that the fruit of our labor is ripe for the plucking. Second, history proves that this accusation is completely without grounds. William Carey, the father of modern mission was a Calvinist. George Whitefield, the über effective evangelist, was a Calvinist. Charles Spurgeon, known for his effective evangelistic sermons…yup, unabashedly Calvinistic. Jonathan Edwards, whose evangelism helped spark the Great Awakening, was the mouthpiece of Reformed doctrine in the world for half a century and his teachings echo in the contemporary writings of John Piper and John MacArthur (2 more TULIP pickers) to this day. To claim that the doctrines of grace dampen the flame of evangelistic zeal, is to ignore the contrary evidene.

 

3. Calvinists Think You Can Live Like an Unbeliever and Still Be Saved

This is a common objection, and one with which I can fully sympathize. The reasoning goes as like this: since we believe that one’s salvation is never dependent on one’s own effort at any point, and since we teach that once a person is truly saved they always remain saved, it follows that even if a person where to drift from the faith to the point of flagrant rebellion and even apostasy they would still enjoy security of salvation. I see the logic. The problem with this objection is that there is an entire point of the Five, which declares the exact opposite view. Perseverance of the saints (the P in TULIP) teaches NOT that a person who makes a profession is guaranteed salvation, but rather that a person who is genuinely saved WILL PERSEVERE in the faith. I.e. a true believer will always remain faithful to Christ in faith and practice (as a pattern) until their glorification. Thus, should a person fall away from the faith, they “were not of us” as the Apostle John puts it. If a member of my church suddenly fell into unrepentant sin, and refused to turn back through all four steps of church discipline (Matt 18), I would have to treat them as an unbeliever, irrespective of their past profession. If you live like and unbeliever, you probably are one, Calvinist or not!

My aim is not to pick a fight— simply to remind everyone in the game to play by the rules. Let’s not accuse our Arminian brothers of beliefs they don’t hold. And in return I feel it’s reasonable to expect the same courtesy.

 THANK-YOU TO THE FIRST 5 SUBSCRIBERS WHO RESPONDED TO THE CONTEST AND POSTED THE 3 MISSING POINTS INTO THE COMMENT LINE, AND THANK-YOU TO PASTOR TYRELL HAAG FOR HIS HELP.

 

My favorite Calvin quote:

“I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels.”

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  • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

    That’s a wrap on the competition. Thanks to all who participated and thanks to Tyrell Haag for the chance at posting in his site.

  • Christo

    OK… I’m also guilty of not having read the instructions. Riaan is my pastor, by the way :-) Here are the 3 main points:

    1. Calvinists Don’t Pray for People’s Salvation
    2. Calvinists Don’t Evangelize or do Missions
    3. Calvinists Think You Can Live Like an Unbeliever and Still Be Saved

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      Lol. Brilliant. Good work.

  • Christo

    1. Is it not inconsistent with God’s loving nature to elect some, and not others, unto salvation? 2. What about the passages in the Bible that tell us to “choose”? 3. Does the belief that God has elected some unto salvation not have a negative impact on one’s evangelism?

  • Anonymous

    Not sure if I’m one of the first five (or that I’d have the time to take the “job”), but just for the fun of it, I thought I would post the answer as well.

    1. Calvinists don’t pray for people’s salvation
    2. Calvinists don’t evangilize or do missions
    3. Calvinists believe you can live like an unbeliever and still be saved

    Quite an amazing list, but also quite untrue.

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      Nailed it. You are the fifth. No pressure on the job. You can enjoy the read and let me know what you think needs improving if you have time. Thanks for participating.

  • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

    Not too late, you are number four. (There’s a movie title in there somewhere).
    Thanks for your willingness to edit the eBook. Why work during the day when you can delegate to others to do the work for you?!

  • Judy Parker

    Not sure if I am too late – but some of us actually do have to work for a living during the day…..:)
    Great responses to these perennial objections Clint.

    1. Calvinists Don’t Pray for People’s Salvation
    2. Calvinists Don’t Evangelize or do Missions
    3. Calvinists Think You Can Live Like an Unbeliever and Still Be Saved

  • Riaanboer

    Hi, I’m not entirely sure what kind of objections you referring to, whether it is certain passages of Scripture they would quote or certain inferences they would draw from experiences. However here are three objections I have commonly heard tossed at me when I introduce Calvinism. I’ve included three passages of Scripture they usually turn to as well.

    1. God has given us [all] free will.
    2. What about those who have never heard the gospel?
    3. What about those who got saved and have now backslidden?

    “Scriptural” Objections.
    1.
    John 3:16 (NASB95)
    16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

    2.
    1 Timothy 2:3-4 (NASB95)
    3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    3.
    Hebrews 6:4-6 (NASB95)
    4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.

    • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

      Those are some, but I’m looking for the exact wording. You’ll need to go to Tyrell Haag’s blog to find them. We’re running this contest together. http://www.calledconvictedconverted.com

      • Riaanboer

        Pardon my ineptness to READ INSTRUCTIONS, I just read it again, and then saw your reply.

        • http://www.clintarcher.com/ Clint

          No problem Riaan! You were spot on the 2nd time, I removed the content to force the other to do the hard work of finding it too. Thanks for your participation.

      • Riaanboer

        I’m clogging up the space here, but just to show that (1) I enjoyed the blog post, (2) I’m thankful for being led to Pastor Tarell’s blog (3) I can read and follow instructions, I submit the three main objections:

        1. Calvinists Don’t Pray for People’s Salvation
        2. Calvinists Don’t Evangelize or do Missions
        3. Calvinists Think You Can Live Like an Unbeliever and Still Be Saved

        I’m unfortunately unable to be part of this competition as I will not be able to enoy the winnings due to being swamped with work and studies. Thank you though.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.hochstetter Thomas Hochstetter

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  • http://twitter.com/WilliamsonShane Shane Williamson

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